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Proposed new format

I made a new template to better organize the External link section - see what you think. John A. Boehner now has the new one, Mitch McConnell still has the old one. TomJx 23:28, 8 March 2013 (CST)

Interesting idea. I see where you are going with it, but I think that the template in its current form is a little bit cluttered. For instance, with the profiles, the links all blur together and it could be somewhat difficult for a reader to easily differentiate between them. Know what I mean? But I do like the idea of trying to better organize and clean-up the template. I imagine based upon what you did, that it wouldn't actually require any changing of content of the pages, but we would just implement whatever agreed-upon change into the pre-existing template. I wonder if we can find some other ways to de-clutter the new one you created. What if we still gave each link its own line, but we indented the bullet within each section type you created? --Geoff Pallay 09:02, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Okay, see John McCain for an indented version. (I'm choosing politicians with a lot of links, to show the full effect.) And yes, I'm using the same parameters so all we eventually change is the LegisLinks template. In the meantime, we can play with several examples simultaneously. TomJx 09:19, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Interesting. I added two columns now. What do you think of having that? You can see it on McCain's page. --Geoff Pallay 09:26, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Yes, that solves the length problem. It looks fine on a tablet, and on a smartphone (in the horizontal position, which anyone would use anyway). TomJx 09:31, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Okay, I added some separate links to John McCain, as various articles include. That confuses things - perhaps a break? A different section? TomJx 09:44, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Hmm, yes, that extra link does sort of just float now, doesn't it. Maybe the columns template is placed on the page separate of the actual "links" template. This way, any additional links that get put in (such as the fact-checking), would also be included in the columns format. I'm thinking we should also consider bolding the section headings, like "Social media" to make it more clear. Thanks for working on this! It's a really nice innovation. I'd like to show it to our congress team this week before making any change permanent. --Geoff Pallay 09:48, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Yes, definitely no rush and getting more input is always helpful. I agree that bolding or something would help. I added extra links to Mitch McConnell for comparison. My original idea was to end the template with (major) news media, to allow flowing right into a non-template section of Local news. It may be that the original version just takes a bit of getting used to for our users, and then they would see if as similar to our various navigation boxes at the bottom of articles, without making it into an actual box. The good news is...people keep creating new websites we can reference. I espeially like congress.gov, even though it's still in beta. THOMAS itself just isn't that user-friendly for people who just want to follow their own members of Congress. TomJx 10:02, 9 March 2013 (CST)
I tried a 3-column version at Nancy Pelosi. Everything still fits, and I like seeing the entire section on a tablet with no scrolling. I think we can deal with the additional links by simply not grouping them. I can add Fact-checking to the template even though few articles will need it, and no one's likely to have numerous 'Local news' sources. I'm going to add more Congress.gov to articles while I watch the new Celtic Thunder. It's pretty good so far. TomJx 19:21, 9 March 2013 (CST)
The template has to work for state-level legislators, too: Antonio Munoz. TomJx 11:43, 10 March 2013 (CDT)
The Antonio Munoz links look a little funky, don't you think? Something about it doesn't seem right. I think we could certainly consider having a different template for state legislatures/executives/congress, with each tailor-made for each specific subset of link types. I think an argument could be made for either way -- standardized across all projects or different templates. I also like the 3-column on Nancy Pelosi, however, I'm still thinking the extra links are looking a bit out of place -- like they are floating improperly in the middle of nowhere. So I'd definitely in that case lean toward having all links grouped somehow together in the same columns template. --Geoff Pallay 21:40, 10 March 2013 (CDT)

I made a new template to better organize the External link section - see what you think. John A. Boehner now has the new one, Mitch McConnell still has the old one. TomJx 23:27, 8 March 2013 (CST)

Also see John McCain re Geoff's idea for indentation w/2 columns, and Nancy Pelosi for the 3-column version. Antonio Munoz is a state-level example. All audience requests welcomed. :-) TomJx 09:26, 9 March 2013 (CST)
Hello! Thanks for sharing the new template with me. It's very innovative. After looking at all of the pages, I think I prefer the set-up on John McCain's page best. Bolding the section headings may make it more clear, like Geoff suggested. I also, agree that the extra links look like they are floating. I wonder if we can create space in the template, e.g. an "other:" section. BaileyL 09:25, 11 March 2013 (CDT)

The problem of additional links is probably best solved with some sort of break, possibly followed by an additional header as in the Official section of Antonio Munoz. The problem with including them in the column structure is their lengths. The examples I gave weren't currently in the template, but could have been and now are. The true 'outliers' we would likely list would probably be longer. For example, listing an in-depth article or interview would mean title, media, author and date would be included. The reason we need a break is because of wrapping. See Nancy Pelosi. If we just added an Other sub-section header, it would be confusing as to where the first items in the second column belonged. TomJx 11:19, 11 March 2013 (CDT)

I see what you are saying. If I'm understanding what you are saying...the break like on Nancy Pelosi's profile looks fine to me. The layout is very clean and makes sense. BaileyL 15:35, 13 March 2013 (CDT)

jftr, the test templates are Template:PoliticianLinks, Template:Politician2Links and Template:Politician3Links. TomJx 21:04, 26 March 2013 (CDT)

(from BaileyL Talk): ...I'm not sure if your comment on two columns referred to Issues on the Ballot or LegisLinks. The former has never been more than two columns, as the link lengths will vary. The latter is waiting on Geoff, as he said he wanted to show the formatting to his team that week. That was more than three weeks ago, and as there has been no subsequent discussion at Template Talk:LegisLinks, it appears no one is interested. TomJx 10:53, 3 April 2013 (CDT)

Having received no further feedback, the new version was moved to Template:CongLinks on April 27, 2013. Template:LegisLinks and Template:GovLinks remain in the old format. TomJx 10:10, 21 May 2013 (CDT)

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