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Welcome to Ballotpedia. I can see you have a gift for categorization and templates. There's a category called Category:Ballotpedia maintenance which may have some templates in it that would be better in Category:Article management templates, if I see where you're going with that. Polycal 04:37, 10 June 2010 (CDT)


Is this the right way to use that new addcat you made? Missouri Proposition A (1996)? I mean in terms of the parent categories? January 11:28, 10 June 2010 (CDT)

I'm doing brute force templates like this one {{Ohio1967}} but those take no template brains, just work. I'm doing those because the same chart goes in 3 separate pages, in order to ensure that the chart is identical in each of those pages. I don't know that we've ever had someone on BP who really knows complicated things about templates and that means we probably haven't even tried some things that we could be doing, but don't know about, or haven't had the skills for. January 12:44, 10 June 2010 (CDT)
For big templates that don't get re-used more than a few times, there is no need to make fancy. If you're going to be making the same template every year and mostly only the year is going to change, might as well use a variable. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:25 PM PDT 11 Jun 2010


Thanks for your work putting together images in a much more organized way. That will be very helpful. Leslie Graves 22:42, 13 June 2010 (CDT)

I've also been updating some images which I hope is not too disruptive. I'm trying to improve the quality while maintaining the general BP style. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 9:43 PM PDT 13 Jun 2010

Link to template question

As far as you are aware, is there a way to link to a template such as {{New Hampshire House of Representatives}} but to have the label appear differently, as in:

{{tl|New Hampshire House of Representatives|List of members grouped by district}}

When I type that, it still shows up as "New Hampshire House of Representatives", and maybe there's no way to do what I'd like. Leslie Graves 10:31, 14 June 2010 (CDT)

I made a new template {{tl2}}.
Now: {{tl2|New Hampshire House of Representatives|List of members grouped by district}}
Shows: {{List of members grouped by district}}
However, I'm not sure this is a good idea because it misleads the user into thinking they can do:
{{List of members grouped by district}}
...which won't work as wikicode.
I did notice the limitation of {{tl}} in that it can't represent parameters in examples of template usage, so I added {{t}} for that purpose.
I noticed there were lots of places on this wiki where templates with parameters could be used but weren't.
An example of a template with parameters is {{codestate}} which converts 2-letter state codes into full state names.
So, {{codestate|NH}} gives you New Hampshire.
The example for template usage would be {{codestate|<code>}} using the wikicode {{t|codestate|code}} which can't be represented using {{tl}}.
-- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:49 AM PDT 14 Jun 2010
I realized I was overthinking it and all I needed to do was this. You might enjoy looking at the (to me) elaborate use of DPL over on Sunshine Review to track state based sunshine legislation. Leslie Graves 16:14, 15 June 2010 (CDT)
Yes, DPL can be very powerful. I'm somewhat leery of it, in that it can be even harder for new wiki users to understand. It works well for things like wiki forums. DPL is the next step beyond sophisticated templates and Javascript is even beyond DPL.
This wiki has DPL capability, so if you can think of good candidates for Ballotpedia use of DPL, I can look into implementing it. --Fandyllic

Help template

Nice addition to the Help template! Sthompson 14:58, 15 June 2010 (CDT)

Image Font

Hey, thanks for the graphics help! The font is Gotham. If you need a copy of the typeface, let me know! --Swad 17:18, 19 June 2010 (CDT)

Good eye, yes, it is Gotham Medium most of the time. There are a few images floating around where I've used the other weights for variety, but most of them are in medium. Thanks!--Swad 06:59, 20 June 2010 (CDT)

I think that is a great idea.

You'd have to produce it, because my mind just isn't tuned in fully right now to BP. I've had way too much going on. Anyhow, great idea....

I have to admit that I haven't seen much of your work....I'll check your history. Are you new or just been absent for a long time?

--Johnwynnejr 13:32, 20 June 2010 (CDT)

I'm new. A friend told me about Ballotpedia and I noticed that my wiki-expertise could probably help. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:23 PM PDT 20 Jun 2010

my choice

{{pageturner|2009 ballot measures|prevlabel=2009|2011 ballot measures|nextlabel=2011}}

It would have to be this one. The label is just about always used in this situation. It is a great upgrade.

--Johnwynnejr 21:57, 20 June 2010 (CDT)

Senelec template

If I do what you propose, will I still be able to sort the articles into distinct year-based categories? I tried making that happen using a parameter in the template but what I tried did not work. I am not good at parameters in templates. Musical 21:59, 20 June 2010 (CDT)

"From what I can tell, some people who made templates in the past, didn't quite understand how they work, so they weren't always successful getting them to do what they wanted."  :) That's a kind way of putting it :) Musical 22:07, 20 June 2010 (CDT)

Template problem?

Some of the templates I use, like {{State news}} and {{2010 ballot measures}}, which rely on {{Tnavbar}} and {{Navbox}}, got thrown out of whack sometime recently and I figure this might be due to recent edits on the Navbar and Navbox templates. I wonder if you could take a look at that? Thanks! Polycal 07:09, 23 June 2010 (CDT)

Sorry about that. I fixed it. -- Fandyllic (talk · contrib)

Partisan templates

You're so good at this! What do you think about the idea of suppressing the blue or red rectangle in the partisan composition boxes depending on which party is dominant? Leslie Graves 12:55, 28 June 2010 (CDT)

Party 2009-2010
Blue Line.PNG Democratic Party 52
Republican Party 48
Total 100
Party 2009-2010
Democratic Party 48
Red line.PNG Republican Party 52
Total 100

...or this, making the box itself the color of the dominant party? If these things could be managed automatically depending on the numbers this would be really great.

Party 2009-2010
Blue Line.PNG Democratic Party 52
Red line.PNG Republican Party 48
Total 100
Party 2009-2010
Blue Line.PNG Democratic Party 48
Red line.PNG Republican Party 52
Total 100
Yeah, I could do one or the other of those things. I will work on it tonight. I don't want to make the templates too complicated, though. The occasional 3rd party makes things a little more tricky. -- Fandyllic (talk · contrib)
See User_talk:Leslie_Graves#Top_and_total_coloring_for_partisan_table_templates -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 8:04 PM PDT 28 Jun 2010
Thank you for your work on these templates. I think this works out very well: Partisan composition of state houses#States. It's neat that someone can scroll through that and get the lay of the land visually; not just the Ds and the Rs but also the extra useful information about which ones are Ds and Rs but barely. A few questions; (a) could you remind me what you're using to distinguish weak from non? I think it's either a difference of 5 seats or a difference of 5% but I'm not sure and (b) I like the sleeker look of the template where the "As of July 2010" is all in one line. Your thoughts on that? But even if I wanted to change it, I can't, because after studying the template, I just don't see where that sizing comes in because I don't know how to read them well enough. Leslie Graves 13:01, 23 July 2010 (CDT)
I'm using a 10% margin for the weak threshold. So if one party has less than a 10% advantage (of the total seats) over the other party, there majority is "weak". I will make the "As of July 2010" part go all on one line, but it will make the table wider by default. To change that you just need to change the width of the overall table and the width of the 2nd column in {{partisantop}}. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:26 PM PDT 26 Jul 2010

District 40a - Happiness Party

Yes! Washington State House of Representatives elections, 2010#District 40a Leslie Graves 17:14, 24 August 2010 (CDT)

A parenthesized listing with not references or links doesn't inspire confidence. Does the state of Washington even require checks on listed political parties? -- Fandyllic (talk · contrib)
About 28 little parties have filed candidates in the state house elections of 2010 and a chart about that can be built that is like this chart: Political parties with candidates in state senate elections in 2010#Breakdown by political party, although it might be an eyesore. The State of Wash has more such filings than other states, presumably because of the top-two primary system in effect. Here's their list of candidates. Given the looser use of party designations in the State of Wash perhaps a disclaimer should be added to those parties that only have candidates in that state. Leslie Graves 17:21, 24 August 2010 (CDT)
What the heck does "Prefers..." mean? Also, this listing shows many preferring a party called "G.O.P. Party". By the standards you've chosen that should be listed as well. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 3:33 PM PDT 24 Aug 2010
I'll get the American Independent/etc. situation fixed asap. As far as how they describe parties in Wash State, I think the way to resolve this is to include a paragraph or so at the top of the column of the lists of candidates for Wash Sen and Wash House detailing the nature of how one is listed as a party candidate there, since it is not identical to how it is done in other states. And, articles about parties that only exist in Wash State because someone filed for office there and registered that as their party preference should have that information clearly stated in the article. I haven't done that yet because I'm not done figuring out whether there are parties in any other states that correspond to the party preferences listed in the Wash State House elections. New York is the most likely to have a plethora of similar parties because of the way it practices fusion voting. New York was the last state to have a signature filing deadline and because of some idiosyncrasies in how their election officials list information, there are still six house districts there where it is not known what parties the candidates are running under the flag of. But once that has become clear, which should not be too much longer, we'll have a complete list of all parties fielding state house candidates in the 49 states other than Wash State, and can compare to see if there are any matches. Leslie Graves 18:50, 24 August 2010 (CDT)
I'm more concerned that the semi-bogus listings in the Washington state web page haven't really been vetted and it seems what parties get listed is arbitrary. Sure, the "G.O.P. Party" is probably the Republican party, but how do you know? Why list the Happiness Party and not the Centrist Party? The process is just a little too random to be trusted.  Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:57 PM PDT 24 Aug 2010

How about this?

Code question

What do you suppose is the reason why, when I put this: {{I&R laws map}}, over here, it causes the catastrophe that you can see, whereas if I just put [[File:US Map I&R.png|center|400px]] on the portal page, everything's fine? There must be some stray bit of code in the template that is causing the problem, but I can't figure out what it is. Leslie Graves 11:31, 30 August 2010 (CDT)

You were right

Leslie Graves 10:50, 7 September 2010 (CDT)

Oh, thanks

I'm on a kick as you can see: Ballotpedia:User templates. All help mucho appreciated. Leslie Graves 15:56, 14 October 2010 (CDT)

Endorsement charts

Do you think I should make these so they are all the same width: 2010 ballot measure endorsements? Leslie Graves 11:52, 19 October 2010 (CDT)


I just have to say thank you for your work on the polling charts! It's made it 10x easier to input data. BaileyL 18:28, 20 October 2010 (CDT)

No problem. I'm always looking for places where templates can help make things easier. If you have any ideas, leave a message and I'll look into it. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 4:31 PM PDT 20 Oct 2010

History in partisan comp boxes?

What do you think? Partisan composition box sandbox Leslie Graves 09:29, 25 October 2010 (CDT)

Yes, I love your version. Leslie Graves 16:07, 26 October 2010 (CDT)
Geoff emailed me last night and said "Do you think there's any possiblity Fandyllic would do a template?" and I said, "We can only hope." Leslie Graves 16:32, 26 October 2010 (CDT)
Thanks again for making these. You can see how I have begun implementing them here. --Geoff Pallay 17:43, 26 October 2010 (CDT)
Glad to be of help. I will continue to try to make templates for most tables depending on my ability and ambition. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 5:07 PM PDT 26 Oct 2010

Objectivity concerns

Thank you for your thoughts on this. I agree that if a controversy exists about Candidate A and Candidate B, and there is only a controversies section in the article about Candidate A, this presents bias concerns, especially if a writer knows about a Candidate B controversy but doesn't include it. There are many issues here that rise to the level of sometimes complex judgments, such as "What causes something to rise to the level that someone would accurately describe it as a 'controversy'? Is it related to how widespread the coverage of the event is in mainstream media? Is it related to judgments about the 'bigness' of the event?", "Is there a more neutral word than 'controversy'", "Should a controversy section not be included in an article about Candidate A if there is no countervailing controversy about opposing Candidate B, even where there is as far as very good faith research reveals, no controversy about Candidate B?", "Is there a list of behaviors/accusations that clearly do not rise to the level of a 'controversy'? In other words, is there a way to narrow down the gray area?" I am going to start listing these questions in a discussion article so that folks can weigh in on them. I will probably get on that by the end of the week, or you could top, let's say at Writing:"Controversy" sections. Leslie Graves 11:22, 8 November 2010 (CST)

Hey, those tabs look great on your user page. I think we are well on the way to addressing this except that I need to get to work on the set of guidelines. One thing I'm thinking about doing is creating a graphic box that would be installed on the right hand side of any controversy section that has a place where the reader can click on a link which takes them to pages where (1) there is a careful explanation of what it means, and doesn't mean, when there is a controversy about a person and (2) they can read over the guidelines for these sections so that they can weigh in as desired. I'll keep thinking about it. I also wanted to let you know that I'm going far, far away and will be completely incommunicado from November 13-22 so if you ask me a question in that time and I don't respond, you'll know why. Leslie Graves 13:16, 10 November 2010 (CST)
I stole the idea for using tabs from State Attorney Generals Against Obamacare. I've used extension tabs before and they are a bit mor eflexible, but not as easy to use.
Your plans for Controversies sections sound really good. Trying to be non-partisan is a difficult task. -- Fandyllic (talk · contr) 2:11 PM PDT 10 Nov 2010

Connecticut legislative committee pages

Maybe this is the way to leave you a message! Sorry -- couldn't figure it out before. Thanks for your work on the CT committee pages. Yes, your explanation is excellent, very clear.

Partisan boxes

Good morning! I'm trying to tweak the partisan boxes you created. I setup a new page: Template:Partisanhistory in order to create a new version of this table. What we want to be able to do is have a table that can serve as a historical version of these partisan control boxes. So this page: Template:Nmhousepartisanhistory will eventually be able to have 2013, 2015, etc, based on all election results. This way, readers can see quickly and clearly what the history of the partisan control is for each chamber. So this leads to my question. What's the best way to setup this template to allow for simple adding of additional years. Thanks for any help and advice you might have. --Geoff Pallay 09:42, 3 February 2011 (CST)

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