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Thanks for making a contribution to the State legislative project. Here is a page that should help provide some background about our project and useful tools and links:

If you have any questions about the project, please let me know.

We look forward to the contributions you will make to the pages! Thanks, and have fun.

--Tyler King, Project Director, State Legislatures


Minnesota media

Hi TomJx! thank you for adding the radio stations to the page Minnesota media. BaileyL 14:03, 5 November 2012 (CST)

Conglinks

Hello! Welcome back to the wiki. Thanks for making those updates to the {{Conglinks}} template, as well as your other minor edits in recent weeks. As usual, please let me know if you have any questions. Hope you'll continue to be a valuable contributor! --Geoff Pallay 09:27, 13 November 2012 (CST)

Senate

Thanks for getting that all updated! Very much appreciated! --Geoff Pallay 07:00, 31 December 2012 (CST)

Jay Rockefeller

Thanks for the heads up. I'll keep my eye on it and see if it kicks into gear in the next few days. Hope you had a great holiday! --Geoff Pallay 22:14, 25 November 2012 (CST)

Thanks for the update. Taking care of both things today -- hopefully the changes will kick in this time! --Geoff Pallay 12:38, 6 December 2012 (CST)

Legislinks

Thank you very much for updating the {{Legislinks}} template!! BaileyL 08:16, 27 November 2012 (CST)

DE leg links

Hey TomJx. Ah yes, all of those initial stubs...As far as I can remember I didn't copy anything from Wikipedia, but we might have originally taken the format from them that was used. I've blocked out a a lot of those endless hours building stubs :) Thanks for all the great work updating links! --Gtjanetka 12:04, 14 December 2012 (CST)

Term ends

In the infobox, the next election we like to link to the actual election page. We haven't built the 2016 election pages yet. But for example, here's how we did the infobox for Alan Grayson. Does that make sense? --Geoff Pallay 09:49, 3 January 2013 (CST)

Sorry for the delayed response. Yes, I see what you mean now re: infobox. And yes, we should link those sections if a proper page exists. For Congress, we don't necessarily have one, but we will add that in at a later date. Let me know if you have other questions on this.

List of ballot measures by topic

Discussion moved to User_talk:JWilliams JWilliams 16:19, 26 January 2013 (CST)

Politician links

Discussion moved to Template talk:LegisLinks. TomJx 11:21,11 March 2013 (CST)

Submit a link

Discussion moved to Template talk:Submit a link and Template talk:Submit a leg link. TomJx 10:16, 3 April 2013 (CST)

Congress intros

Hi, my name is Sarah Rosier, I'm the new Congress Project Director. I noticed that you've created a guideline for bill analysis and moved it out of the introduction. The project is in the midst of creating new intro guidelines, but for now we'd like to keep bill sponsorship in the intro. Thanks! Let me know if you have any questions. Sorry, I did a few reverts before sending this to you. Thanks for all your hard work on the project. I enjoyed looking at your work on the external links and you've made great additions to the project! I look forward to your contributions. --SR

Yes, as the page states, that is the guideline for the introductory sentence, not the intro paragraph. My APD and I have been having ongoing discussions. The edit you just showed me also pertains to non-Congressional office holders (cabinet members, executive branch officials). Thanks.

Hi TomJx. Your suggestions for changes to the way we list ideology on congressional profiles is very interesting and your guidelines are very clear and straightforward. Prior to creating an "official" writing guideline page, I do recommend that you connect with the project director, in this case Sarah Rosier, and myself. We need to review and verify new guidelines to make sure they fit with the article format, are shared with BP staff, and it doesn't conflict with plans that are in the works. Instead of a guideline page, I'd recommend a sandbox page that outlines the proposed changes. If approved, we can simply redirect it to an official guideline page and include it in relevant writing templates. We will definitely consider your proposal. As Sarah said, the timing is right because the team is currently reviewing the project guidelines. Thanks! BaileyL 11:54, 20 May 2013 (CDT)

Your reply is actually very helpful in that it highlights some gaps that currently exist in our writing guidelines. That type of feedback is crucial to helping us improve. I will be forwarding that note to Sarah. My suggestion only pertained to the etiquette of creating formal guideline pages. BaileyL 16:20, 20 May 2013 (CDT)

RE: FTM & Legislinks

Joel, were you told to replace tbe Career Profile link for Follow the Money with separate links for each year? I was surprised to find this as I've been doing the reverse. TomJx,

Hello Tom! Part of our process of adding comprehensive donor history to incumbent profiles is to include individual links to the yearly reports from FollowTheMoney. Sorry for any confusion this caused, and we will do our best to make new processes like this known to our volunteer editors in the future. Thanks! - JoelW
You'll keep me informed? Really? Just like all the other BP people keep promising, but never do? Glad to see you turning the clock back to April 2010 by removing all the Career Profile links. I think it's really funny how you've been following me around, yet never thought to leave me a message. All those other Illinois state senators are still back at 2008, when BP copied all my links from Wikipedia. I've never seen a single instance of BP people being proactive and doing an actual update on their own - why is that? You have plenty of time to add all those separate links to avoid having any user see the Career Profile page, but five years out of date is no problem? TomJx 10:21, 16 July 2013 (CDT)
  • 22:08, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Steve Landek ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 22:05, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Steve Landek ‎ (→External links)
  • 22:03, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Steve Landek ‎ (→External links)
  • 22:03, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Martin Sandoval ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 22:02, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Martin Sandoval ‎ (→Campaign donors)
  • 21:51, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Martin Sandoval ‎ (→External links)
  • 21:45, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) John G. Mulroe ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 21:39, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) John G. Mulroe ‎ (→External links)
  • 21:38, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Daniel K. Biss ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 14:56, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Daniel K. Biss ‎ (→External links)
  • 14:56, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Ira Silverstein ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 14:49, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Ira Silverstein ‎ (→External links)
  • 14:45, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Heather Steans ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 14:42, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Heather Steans ‎ (→External links)
  • 14:40, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) John Cullerton ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 14:30, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) John Cullerton ‎ (→External links)
  • 14:27, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Patricia Van Pelt Watkins ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 14:23, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Patricia Van Pelt Watkins ‎ (→External links)
  • 10:53, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Kimberly Lightford ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 10:45, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Kimberly Lightford ‎ (→External links)
  • 10:43, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Mattie Hunter ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 10:36, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Mattie Hunter ‎ (→External links)
  • 10:32, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) William Delgado ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 10:20, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) William Delgado ‎ (→External links)
  • 10:16, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Antonio Munoz ‎ (→Campaign donors) (top)
  • 10:03, 12 July 2013 (diff | hist) Antonio Munoz ‎ (→External links)
You might want to look at these updates. What's the point of having detailed instructions if you ignore them? TomJx 10:27, 16 July 2013 (CDT)


Hey TomJx, I wanted to clarify the usage of Template: LegisLinks. While we do acknowledge and appreciate the Follow the Money aspect of the template, we do prefer to write out the full history rather than the single career profile link. I realize this creates a contradiction in the writing guidelines as both methods are described. We perform a full review of our writing guidelines around this time each year, so I'll go ahead and start that process a bit ahead of time. I would also note that we will be moving all incumbents to the Legislink format during the second phase of our work to clean up incumbent profiles - scheduled to start in October. Thank you for all the work you do on the State Legislatures Project and Ballotpedia as a whole! Tking 12:01, 16 July 2013 (CDT)

"While we do acknowledge and appreciate the Follow the Money aspect of the template, we do prefer to write out the full history rather than the single career profile link. I realize this creates a contradiction in the writing guidelines as both methods are described."
  • ABSOLUTELY not true. The only reason those years were EVER separate was because when I added them to Wikipedia, Follow the Money did NOT yet have a career profile link. All BP ever did was cut and paste what I did - which I find hilarious considering your libertarian, free-market, Ayn Rand claims. Or do you think the parasites and takers are the heroes? Feel free to try to spin that any way you like, but your Writing Guidelunes do NOT say what you're now claiming:
  • "A link to the Follow the Money career profile page. Links to the legislator/candidate's current (if available) and previous history of campaign contributions may also be present in FEC and Open Secrets if the person has run for federal office. Some states have their own websites, such as Minnesota." See? Now please stop trying to insult my intelligence. TomJx 12:43, 16 July 2013 (CDT)


Hi TomJx! I'm Jaime Beran and I'm Ballotpedia's Assistant Editor. I just want to both interject and echo both Joel's and Tyler's sentiments listed above. Most importantly, thank you for taking the time to develop this new feature. While we at Ballotpedia immensely appreciate volunteers, like yourself, that support our work and who add and edit content, this particular content was developed without the consensus of the state legislatures project director, Tyler King. Unfortunately, volunteers are not able to simply change writing guidelines that staff have established with consensus without the consent of the project's particular project director. In addition, project directors reserve the right to modify established writing guidelines to tailor to specific aspects of their project's work. We appreciate your efforts but urge you to contact the specific project director directly from this day forward with respect to writing guideline matters. JaimeB 3:12, 16 July 2013 (CDT)

Jaime, that 'new feature' has been in place since April 6, 2011 - over two years ago. The Career Profile parameter for Follow the Money was in place when the Template was first created on that date. Geoff, Bailey and Tyler have all been involved with that Template. At that time, At that time, Geoff was in charge of both Congress and State and redirected the CongLinks and GovLinks versions into LegisLinks for consistency, although they have since split for formatting reasons. Everything was discussed and approved, but apparently the updates to the Writing Guidelines slipped through the cracks. I later updated them when I came across them in November 2012. Tyler reverted them, and then shortly re-reverted them. Nothing since, other than a minor change Bailey made yesterday. Now eight months later this is suddenly a 'new feature' no one ever heard about? No. I suggest you talk to those involved rather than blaming me for things that simply didn't happen as you claim. I think the heat's getting to all of you. TomJx 10:45, 17 July 2013 (CDT)


And almost a month later...no responses or apologies. TomJx 10:39, 10 August 2013 (CDT)

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